Ricoh GR II camera on backorder at B&H and Adorama (plus a Ricoh GR III poll)


Last year Ricoh ensured us that the “Ricoh GR is one of our most important premium cameras. We want to reassure our GR lovers that the series will continue.” Many readers have asked me if I have any info on the GR II replacement. I have not seen any reliable information yet. There was an interesting Ricoh patent (2016-201400) that was filed in Japan last year for a Bayer sensor without a color filter array (CFA) which should create sharper monochrome images. It will be interesting if Ricoh decides to produce a monochrome GR camera.

The price of the Ricoh GR II has recently gone down to $559 and the camera is currently on backorder at B&H and Adorama:


Here is a poll on what features do you want to see in a new Ricoh GR III camera:


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  • Zos Xavius

    I’d bet money its in the pipeline and very soon to be announced. The GR is literally Ricoh’s pride and joy. I would imagine they care more about the GR than even Pentax. It is long overdue. Every other GR version is a generational update, so I would expect some nice surprises hopefully.

    • I agree

    • David Malan

      I hope your’e right.

    • audio

      I have high expectations as well…
      Hopefully they followed their upgrade policy of the former GR Digitals…

  • martin

    a weather resistant 18mm apsc compact GR would get my money every time. Everything else the same as the GRii I’d be happy with

  • charly_says

    1 inch sensor + super rugged body would be better.

    • Davo

      I’d agree, but as an addition to the series rather than replacing the current formula.

  • Davo

    Ricoh should really develop the GR as a series.
    The current version should keep its formula and just needs some slight updating and IMO, better sealing against the dust problem for example.
    I’d take a faster lens, but only if optical qualities remain stellar like it is now.
    There could also be new GR21
    Or a GR zoom with 1″ sensor instead.
    And before people point out that there are already a lot of 1″ zooms from Canon, Panasonic and Sony, no one does ergonomics like the Ricoh GR.

    • Licheus

      There used to be some sort of GR series, with the GXR and the GX100/200. A new GX with 1” sensor sounds feasible, but remember the original GX died of dwindling sales and Fuji had just backed out from the 1” scene as it’s already “too crowded”.

      • Davo

        GX100/200 were based on very small sensors though. I don’t think any GR fans really saw them in the same light.
        You may be right about 1” sensor market being too crowded. But if done right I think it’ll still appeal. There were brief rumours of a GRZ with a zoom lens which makes me think they may have gone with a smaller sensor to keep the GR form factor but kudos to them if they can manage it for an APS-C sensor but personally I think that might be too tall an order.
        Maybe the zoom range will be a bit more unique too, eg. DL18-50 that never materialized.

    • audio

      sadly, people caring for the ergonomics are a very small crowd.
      See the A7 movement. Ergonomics was horrible in the first iteration (a7, R & S) but people bought it because of the amazing sensors.
      There is no doubt that pentaxrumors users would hail an GR-based series, but we wouldn’t pay leica prices, or would we?

      • Davo

        I’m afraid you’re probably right.
        Between tech specs, style and refined ergonomics, only the first two really sells.
        Yet the latter is the one that gives you long term user satisfaction.
        Fortunately the ergonomic part is just an evolution of refinements for Ricoh so I doubt it would be very costly to do a GR series with basically the same UI.
        The costly bits are the cutting edge tech eg. the fast sensor readout with stacked DRAM or exotic build like the Leicas. GRs don’t really need those, just use a proven great performing sensor coupled with the best in class lenses.
        But I think they should really address the dust issue.

        • audio

          Oh yes, with you on the dust issue!
          If they offer that and update the sensor to today’s standards, Ricoh has a camera we all love.

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    FF GR?

    • Nice idea but I don’t think they will do it – it will be too expensive to generate large volume of sales.

      • I think you’re right, Peter, but I would still love to see a FF version of the GR. I know it would be bigger and more expensive, but I bet ricoh could do a better job than the leica q or the sony rx1 cameras.

        I have the GRll and it’s just great. My most used camera. Excellent ergonomics. Great image quality. And I’ve been lucky. No problems with my original GR or the II and dust.

    • g_disqus

      It’s too big or just with f/4 🙁

      • audio

        f4 wouldn’t even be a dealbreaker (for me)
        but then I wouldn’t mind to carry some more for the extra light.
        I shot Sigma Merrills for a while now, and being limited to f2.8 plus basically a max ISO320 was very challenging (and more often frustrating…)

        • g_disqus

          I know, f/4 it isn’t so bad. But f/4 is very bad for marketing. Even f/2.8 is for just only “photographers” and fans.

    • Licheus

      Just grab a GR1 and enjoy.

  • g_disqus

    Pixel shift + sensor IS

  • David Malan

    It hardly needs improving, but for me the first four points on the survey would be great.

  • Sergio Arturo

    For me it’s ok as it is. I would ask weather sealing. Even i’m not interested in stabilization. I think it’s against the camera’s character. I’ts perfect as it is; just needs an update with modern sensor and optics.

    • David Malan

      Agree.

  • Licheus

    We all know it’s doable…and will come…just a matter of time. Since Sony no longer supplies the 16MP sensor (if memory serves) the 24MP sensor is set in stone even if you don’t want it.

    Weather sealing, that’s all I could ask for.

  • To me it doesn’t need 4K video or pixel shift tech.

    It definitely needs to be weathersealed/dustproof though! 100% this!
    Then… any improvement is a bonus, but I prefer it to be in the usability, so a tilty touchscreen and EVF would be nice. Basically a Panasonic GX80/GX85 but with a fixed lens on there (although their Leica 15mm f/1.7 lives quite nicely on there too). Technically on a usability front a good wireless transfer between the camera and phone/tablet/computer would be very nice. Improved battery life, so you don’t miss that shot due to running low on juice.

    Of course the APS-C sized sensor with the Ricoh mojo… ooh la la, to me that would be the cure for my curiousity of vintage stills compacts like the Ricoh GR1v, Contax T2 & T3, Fujifilm Klasse W and S. So, since it’s been a while I’d expect some improvements there already. But they don’t have to absolutely go insane to push it for crazy specs in terms of resolution, ISO etc. Neither do I think a much brighter lens is a must. A lot of these used to be f/2.8-3.5 in the stills days.

    The real question is… will a GRIII actually happen. 😛

    • audio

      Oh I am sure that it will happen. There is no doubt about it and stocks would be dropping cold if they announced the end of the GR in their imgaging devision.
      Only questions are 1) when and 2) what exactly did they come up with

      • audio

        but to be honest… I shot for years now with Sigma Merrills, I would by even a subpar GR III

        • Davo

          Just a random thought. Fovean sensor on a GR21. IBIS would be icing on the cake.

          • audio

            well… no. I would pick a GR for a very different reason than one of my sigmas.
            ISO 1600 to 3200 produces very nice images on the GR but useless data on every sigma camera and IBIS only helps with static objects…

            I totally get the fascination with a layered sensor, but honestly… the new sony bayer sensors are good enough for me

          • Davo

            Yes. I know the strength of the Fovean sensors are low iso and resolution. Hence I picked a GR21 implying a GR matched to a great 21mm lens for the ultimate landscape compact. And hence why I also said IBIS would be icing for great scapes without a tripod (and to the keep those iso values down).

          • audio

            I see. I’m looking for something very different in the GR 🙂

            for landscapes, a 21mm foveon would be nice, yes.
            but then there is the Sigma DP0, in my opinion a good choice for landscapes.
            and the interface of the sigma cameras is not too bad, to be honest… they have a very cool quick menu and with the SD1 quattro, you even have a dedicated display…

            but for me, the GR on the other hand is my carry-around, all-purpose speedy snapshot serious camera.
            21mm? adapter only please. otherwise, I would pack a X100 again…

  • Duke Mlang

    24MP / 28mm f2 EQV /SAME BODY DESIGN

    • audio

      that would put sales through the roof

    • Davo

      And seal that space between the rear most element and the sensor 🙂

      • audio

        lets glue them together, then

  • Scott

    At all costs we need to keep the same exact body size, and hopefully shape. It’s the perfect size and it’s very comfortable in the hands. Weather sealing would be wonderful, but I doubt it would be easy with the lens coming in and out of the camera. I’d be fine with a hood similar to the GH-3 that would provide weather sealing over the lens. New sensor would be cool. An absolute dream would be the Nikon D500 sensor with no optical low pass filter on it, but I don’t see that happening. Better manual focusing would be awesome, but not a deal breaker. A pop-up OVF would be super cool. Similar to the one on the Sony RX100 series, but just an optical viewfinder with frame lines. Lens is fine, firmware is fine, video is fine (who uses that anyways?), burst rate is fine, WIFI is fine, menus are fine, etc.

    • Davo

      It’d be the space between the rear most element and the sensor that needs to be sealed. The lens could still be collapsible as long as the rear most element doesn’t move. Dust on lens elements are pretty irrelevant compared to dust on the sensor.
      The D500 sensor is a custom Nikon and the GR doesn’t need the readout speed. The older but still excellent 24MP Sony APS-C sensor should be more cost effective.
      Would love a pop-up EVF but will that compromise the shape? And for me, the little pop up EVFs are pretty ordinary currently. Maybe when tech catches up but I don’t think I’d be using it much, if at all if current pop up EVFs are an indicator. IMO, the bar needs to be Leica Q EVF quality or better. I’d take an optical VF with movable frame lines that compensate for focus distance. It’d be great for battery life.

  • RU

    1. Full frame sensor and true 28mm f2.8 lens like the analog GR
    2. Optical VF with AF confirmation
    3. Pixel shift high resolution
    4. Better dust sealing
    5. < $1000 price

    • audio

      with your points 1 to 4, there is no way the thing would cost <1000$
      buy a Sony A7 II for that.

  • audio

    man, how long did we have to wait for this moment…
    I am super excited about the next weeks…

  • strmnzro

    They should really improve build quality (unibody?). I´ve hade three different GR´s, and screws have been falling off on each one. They should also change plastic dials to brass (ages with pride).

    • audio

      metal dials is really a cool idea.
      love the metal dials on the fujis

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