Ricoh/Pentax GR-E full frame curved sensor camera rumors


There is a discussion on dpreview about a rumored new Ricoh/Pentax GR-E full frame curved sensor camera (E for Extreme). Here are the details – apparently Ricoh will cease all camera production and the GR line will be moved over to the Pentax brand:

  • 36MP curved sensor
  • To be announced in spring or early summer
  • Price: $1,800
  • 122.0 mm (W) × 64.7 mm (H) × 39.8 mm (D)
  • 28mm f/2.4 lens (non-retractable)
  • Customizable lens ring
  • ISO 51,200
  • New battery

Via Dpreview

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  • Interesting, though fully speculative at this point, I guess. Frankly, however, I would be more tempted by a reliably dust-proofed, better-AF, new-APS-C sensor GR III.

    • Davo

      Yes to all your points. But would you trade an extra 5mm for a non-retractable lens design which should make the dust issue less problematic.

      • audio

        no, fun of the GR was the retractable lens that gave way to a tiny and portable package…

        • Davo

          I guess what I was getting at is does that extra 5mm make a large enough difference to the portability of the camera. At 39.8mm it’s still quite compact and would eliminate a weak point in the GR’s design.
          Another curiosity is the height. 64.7mm is pretty short when the already conpact GR has a height of 83mm.

  • Davo

    GR-E for Edition (Apple speak) 🙂
    I guess the question is what’s better:
    a likely expensive FF curved sensor matched to a presumably simpler to design f2.4 lens covering a curved FF area
    or a relatively cheaper tried and tested APS-C sensor matched to a more complicated (and costlier) F1.8 lens covering a flat APS-C area.

  • Narren Rot

    I am pretty sure, if that rumor is correct, we will see first sony introducing a camera with such sensor. Most likely next RX 1 model…

    • i datsun

      Yes, the whole idea that Ricoh-Pentax could beat Sony to a camera, whose technology Ricoh would most likely need, sounds a bit unlikely.

      BTW. Pentax Rumours did not add the date that this camera will appear. June 2018.

      • audio

        Whether Sony is first or not, Pentax glacial speed in terms of development is not very reassuring to yield a gr III with a curved sensor

    • Davo

      But which Sony is developing the curved sensor though. Imaging or Semiconductor.
      If it’s Sony Semiconductor then anyone can purchase it from their catalogue. Sony imaging don’t get first dibs or exclusivity unless they paid for the development.

  • g_disqus

    toooo expensive!

    • Narren Rot

      Like the rx1 from sony is cheaper?

      • g_disqus

        Ok. This price is lower than Leica Q and Sony RX1.

    • Davo

      Cheaper than a Q

      • g_disqus

        Ok. This price is lower than Leica Q. But is too expensive! Earlier (film era) lens 28/2.8 costs $100-200. Small camera – under $500.

        • Davo

          I know, I shouldn’t really compare it to the Q. Leica, being Leica will always price it that way.
          But since we’re talking a theoretical curved FF sensor, that component itself is likely to be very expensive, more than conventional flat sensors. I just can’t see new FF cameras being priced much lower. If it was $1500USD matched to a GR-worthy 28mm f2.4 lens then that’ll really be exciting.
          I doubt it though as I think you can produce equivalent performance in APS-C format for less money. APS-C appears to be the sweet spot for price/performance for current technology.

        • JJ

          but… what full frame camera is cheaper than that? The old Canon 6D yes… but…?

  • i datsun

    This pentax-rumour is based on re-post of a rumour which itself had no further input from the
    originator (and who in this case deleted their own account and all their posts over at dpreview). Safe to say that it has no credence whatsoever.

    • Narren Rot

      Nonetheless, we finally have pentax/ricoh rumor here 😉

      • You can never win, if you don’t post rumors people complain, if you post rumors people complain… I think I will just disable the comments section…

        • Mistral75

          In this case, it’s not even a rumour, it’s a poor fool who writes one day that the GR II successor will be the GRZ with a zoom lens, another day that it will be the GR-E with a curved sensor, until he gets eventually banned from the forum he is a member of.

          • I did not see any of his previous posts.

          • Michael Penn

            You’re just another clueless schmuck from DpReview. I have actually met the person you’re talking about. He has collected my photography for two years now and has become one of the biggest collectors of contemporary photography on the East coast. Because of people he’s worked with at let’s say where the circle meets the square ( very few Ricoh fans will get that reference) he has heard first hand information and ideas, he even told me about the GR well before it was announced. He joined DpReview after I warned him that it was full of assholes who were only interested in future cameras. Opps, that’s the kind of language that got me suspended from there and I had them delete everything of mine. Matt, after realizing that I was right had them do the same to his account. He was not banned.

          • Well, tell him he can always contact me with details on upcoming products.

          • Michael Penn

            I will pass that along Peter.

          • Thanks!

        • Michael Penn

          I would turn off the comment sections. The anal leakage of people from DpReview is making a mess.

        • Zos Xavius

          Just make popcorn. 😉

        • Narren Rot

          This was not a complain.

  • Zos Xavius

    Not enough salt for this post!

  • Ivanov Vano

    The rumour is based on guesses…

    • audio

      but the GR line could very much evolve into this, in my opinion.

  • Luboš

    no idea why they (all of them) didn’t developed curve sensor? As per parabolic center, it is making sense that it would have proper distance from corner to corner, and therefore sharper image.

    • JJ

      Wouldn’t it be nesescary to create a full new lens series? It gives meaning on a fixed lens camera…

  • Mistral75

    Come on, Peter, you’re worth more than that clickbait article…

    The original rumour comes from a deleted thread in Digital Photography Review’s Ricoh forum that one can still find in Google cache:

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wpSg4VEqLn4J:https://www.dpreview.com/forums/redirect-last-post/4239556

    It emanates from the very same guy who wrote in October last year he was told the Ricoh GRZ with a zoom lens would replace the GR II:

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nYOJfQkRE4AJ:https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4211974

    Both threads, the guy’s account and all his posts were deleted a few days ago.

    There is nothing more in these statements than a poor guy with a desperate need for recognition.

  • deb

    I would buy it. Sounds interesting. I hope it is true.

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    The price sounds too low to be true, but then again it’s the same price as the K-1, that would mean that Ricoh is gonna get the sensor at the same price as the K-1’s, really doubtful as I’m sure that the first commercially available FF curved sensors will have really, really low fab yield percentages, which should make the cameras they go into Leica-level (or even beyond) expensive.

  • ZMWT

    The only viable info in this, is the renaming of *all* cameras and anything related to imaging with a Pentax brand. Even the product boxes should get rid of mentioning Ricoh on them. The Theta should have been Pentax Theta too, and would have prospered *far* better, helped them sell Pentax cameras and vice versa. Ricoh learned the important marketing lessons about end-user perception and the game of product associations in a disastrous way.

  • audio

    To be honest: I take every rumor about the GR III that I can get.

  • Susumu_Araki

    Curved sensor needs fixed lens, not zoom.
    Curved sensor can make camera’s size small.
    Curved sensor can make lens structure simple with more freedom of lens design.
    So, seems curved sensor is perfect fit for Ricoh GR’s concept.

  • JJ

    Please don’t skip the Ricoh as brand name! We just love Ricoh. That little great beast 😉 Can’t call it Pentax…

    • Michael Penn

      Who cares what name is on it ?

      • JJ

        I do. 😉

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